CBD for ADHD | Dr. Frank Michalski Discusses Using CBD Oil for ADHD

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hi my name is Stacey pets I’m the
co-founder of CBD bio care and we are
speaking with dr. frank michelle ski who
is a chiropractor and functional
medicine physician in Buffalo New York
and today we are talking about a topic
that is really growing in popularity if
you will it’s just something we’re
hearing a lot about and it’s attention
deficit disorder its hyperactivity its
these conditions that we’re finding more
and more children are falling victim to
and so we’re going to talk about what
ADHD what all of this means and what
it’s all about
and of course how CVD can possibly help
so good morning dr. Frank
good morning Staci thank you for having
me again as always I really appreciate
you being here so tell us what is ADHD
how does that differentiate from
hyperactivity disorder is it the same
thing or you know you see if you hear
all these acronyms what do they all mean
so there’s a few different subcategories
of it that you could break it down into
I think the big two terms that we hear
are ADHD and a DD a DD attention deficit
disorder ADHD attention deficit hyper
reactive disorder so usually what we
would think of is the individual with
ADHD they may be that person who has
those hyper reactive body movements this
is that the child or adult that can’t
sit still they’re always fidgeting
they’re extremely impulsive at almost a
little bit chaotic in their body
movements this is more where we talk
about ADHD when you look at the
literature and what I would tell people
for today we basically mean the same
thing whether we’re discussing ADHD or a
BD or any of the subcategories at
underneath we’re talking about that that
general disorder of attention deficit
with or without hyper reactivity
involved most kids these days I don’t
really hear the term abd in my office is
often anymore it’s always ADHD I would
say that seems to be the generally
turn for this diagnosis today you know
you also hear some criticism people feel
like we’re always labeling but I feel
like there there is some benefit to not
just dismissing a child as not being
well-behaved or they’re not doing well
in school or you know there’s always
something going on
possibly a learning disability or
possibly an attention deficit disorder
or hyperactivity disorder so how what
should a parent do if they start to
notice some of these signs or maybe we
shouldn’t even identify what some of
these signs of of a problem are or a
parent doesn’t believe that it’s just
maybe their child is misbehaving of
course so I think the easiest place to
start would be is paying attention to
your child and I always tell people look
for other symptoms too a lot of times if
we see depression or anxiety we just
stop right there and that is the
diagnosis they have depression they have
anxiety well depression and anxiety are
common symptoms of ADHD so perhaps
you’re gonna want to speak to your
physician or do your own research online
and take those symptoms a step further
now the the most obvious things would be
is the inability to focus and pay
attention okay those hyperactive
movements lack of organization in
completing day-to-day tasks especially
to a point where this lack of
organization this inability to focus is
affecting your day-to-day activities
this child cannot achieve good grades
even though they’re really trying a lot
of times these children they’re trying
as hard as they can and they’re not
achieving the results that either the
parents or the teachers or for the older
adult peers are hoping for when this is
a repetitive problem over and over again
this is really when we have to start to
think okay is there an attention deficit
disorder now I want to say this we
always think of this disease for kids
two to five percent of adults are going
to also be diagnosed with us
and there is a strong genetic
correlation to ADHD so if we have an
adult that has ADHD perhaps they should
be considering that their children may
be suffering from this as well it
shouldn’t be dismissed so genetics play
a role for adolescent ages nicotine
usage tobacco usage plays a large role
in ADHD we’ll talk about why that plays
a role in development a little bit later
on and then other simple things – food
allergies can play a role micronutrient
deficiencies can play a role so I would
also challenge someone if your child is
having trouble focusing in school if
they’re having trouble outside of school
if they have some of these signs or
symptoms of ADHD I would assess all
those things is there a genetic
predisposition what is their diet like
are they eating a diet very poor and
processed foods if they’re a little
older is there a nicotine addiction or
an addiction if we see all those things
especially if accompanied by depression
and anxiety we really have to become
suspicious that there is a an even
bigger picture diagnosis of ADHD so what
I hear you saying is the ADHD may be a
symptom of something else going on so
it’s important to rule that out before
you go into the treatment mode of
treating ADHD specifically absolutely
because if we look at it as a symptom of
something else let’s say for example
food allergies that’s a very common one
in the functional medicine world now
instead of going after just the ADHD for
the treatment we’re now trying to
eliminate those food allergies perhaps
it’s a symptom there’s been a lot of
studies out there correlating it to low
iron stores in a person’s blood perhaps
we treat them with an iron supplement
maybe it’s an omega-3 fatty acid
deficiency so we’re looking for those
other underlying root causes
hopefully by treating nose we can then
improve the overall outcome of the ADHD
now from a traditional medical
standpoint ADHD in today’s world is
usually treated using stimulants and for
a lot of people that sounds kind of
weird right
why would we give a child who’s already
hyperactive stimulants this is an
important thing to understand about ADHD
a lot of these younger people what
research is showing is that they have a
decreased amount of dopamine this is a
neurotransmitter in their brain
available to them so dopamine is
responsible for mood behavior sleep
appetite body movements that reward
motivation center in the brain a lot of
these kids are showing that they have
decreased dopamine levels and some of
the things I said before decreased iron
levels decrease B vitamins a lack of
vitamin D a omega fatty acids all of
those things can lead to decrease
dopamine levels in the brain you know I
hear I have a young son and so and I
have two children but it seems to be
more more prevalent with boys for some
reason and that’s just me as a mom from
what I’ve heard so that’s that’s not
scientific –it by any stretch but it
seems like when a parent is suspecting a
ADHD they take them to a physician and
the next time I follow up with a parent
to say how is your child there so will
they put them on this medication seems
very fast right so there’s no other it
doesn’t seem that there’s other
evaluations that are taking place and
then my husband is has coach baseball
and he said I can always tell the kids
that are on these drugs because they
almost aren’t there you know he can see
it in their eyes and he said it’s really
concerning because it really affects
their personality so I understand that
some kids are going to need prescription
medications but what is your evaluation
you feel like we’re really leaping to
two prescriptions very quickly before we
evaluate the whole picture and is it
something that’s more common in boys
than girls so what I can say is this for
sure when it comes to the prescription
shot side of things if we look at the
the research on that is actually quite
undecided and the effectiveness of these
medications is certainly in question and
even more so in question is the the long
term side effects
these are in Fatih means that we’re
giving to young young children when an
adult consumes in thought amines it’s a
it’s a it’s a criminal activity in many
cases when it when we prescribe them to
a young child it’s a treatment so that
has always baffled me and I think when
you look at the research a lot of the
research out there is baffled by this –
especially because when they’re
following up with these kids in a few
years what they’re noticing in these
young individuals is that their brain
scans PET scans of their brain CT scans
they’re very different from those
children who were not given the drugs
not saying for better or for worse but
they’re certainly seen changes long-term
changes and this this is a very fearful
thing now the other big concern that
you’ll see with these medications is a
brain that is ADHD will say ADHD
positive ok over-reactive lower dopamine
stores these young individuals typically
have very addictive personalities
there’s actually clinical correlations
between high THC marijuana usage and
ADHD brains not saying that it caused it
saying that an ADHD brain craves that
high THC marijuana this is a common
thing that we mentioned to adults if
they’re using it chronically and they
don’t know why we mentions them have you
ever been assessed for ADHD you may have
a dopamine problem so addiction is my
point a lot of these kids already have
addictive personalities now what happens
down the line when we remove them from
those ADHD medications they’re usually
turning to find that high then
amphetamine release from something else
and I believe that’s one of the most
scary things and if you look at the
literature you can find that in the
literature as well – that’s I think the
biggest fear about the medications and
it is currently the most one of the
highest diagnosed diseases among
adolescents so
I always believed pumping the brakes
taking our time and asking questions is
better than jumping into what we believe
to be an instant solution there’s no
instant solution to anything wow that
that’s a lot of really great information
do you know if it’s more common in boys
or girls yeah I believe it is but I
don’t want to quote on that we could
easily get those statistics and put them
in our in our blog write-up for you I
can tell people the CDC if you just type
in ADHD statistics CDC you’re gonna pull
it up it’s the first thing that pops up
yeah I know I kind of put you on the
spot on that one but it’s not time does
something that I I’ve noticed
having a boy and a girl that I hear
about it more you know with with the
moms of the boys so boys are I know I’m
stereotyping but maybe just more
hyperactive in general and it maybe goes
hand in hand but I love what you’re
talking about is is seeking the root of
the problem especially if it’s not
hereditary right to find out what may be
causing this and and that’s such a big
area of your practice with functional
mess medicine is looking at the whole
person and saying okay well this is the
symptom so let’s track down the cause
and in some cases a child is going to
need to be on medication right I mean
that’s just the nature of things to be
able to help them cope or help them with
life or whatever the case may be
of course what we’re seeing and the
reason we’re talking about this topic
today is because in the cannabis space
CBD in particular we are seeing a huge
amount of people that are turning to CBD
to help their kids and even the adults
because it’s helping adults focus I know
for myself for example I and I call it
you know all the different plates
spinning when I feel like I’ve got all
the plates spinning and I’m having a
hard time focusing because it’s like oh
my gosh
what do I do next I’ll take a little bit
of CBD and then on what I say is that it
calms the noise it helps bring
everything into balance and that’s what
I am finding and then we have had many
many parents that have turned to CBD
and actually replaced CBD with you know
the replacement is CBD from their
children no longer taking medications
are someone who works in our office has
two children in her home who no longer
take medications they’re now taking CBD
now I’ve said all of that I have to
disclose that I am NOT a medical doctor
I am NOT saying that CBD 100% is going
to cure or treat your child and get rid
of ADHD and I want you to consult a
physician I am just reporting on what
we’re seeing in our in our office and
that’s why we’re having this
conversation because there’s great
research that’s being conducted and
there’s great information that’s being
evaluated right now about how CBD can
help so what is your take on that dr.
Frank of course so I’ll start by saying
this your commentary on what you’re
seeing happen there actually was a study
done where a group of people went
through a bunch of online forms of
cannabis users who were ADHD positive
and they went through all this
literature so reddit all these online
community forms and they chose four
hundred and one very specific highly
chosen comments and what they found was
that over twenty five percent of people
who use cannabis reported that they had
significant relief from ADHD symptoms
many reporting even more so than they
were perceiving from medication
interesting and I only mention that
because there actually is one 2016 study
that kind of validates a lot of what you
just said about what people are saying
I’ll backtrack and talk a little bit
about what it is we’re seeing with CBD
and ADHD so I’m gonna read a quote to
you this is for doctor from dr. Berman
he’s one of the leading medical doctors
on cannabis research and especially
medicinal cannabis usage in the world of
CBD he describes ADHD as the brain is
overwhelmed with too much information
coming too fast in ADHD the brain is
clever is cluttered
and to aware of all the nuances of a
person’s daily experience so imagine
that that’s ADHD okay now he followed up
that statement with this finding and one
of his one of his studies or his
experience with using CBD products and
children who were diagnosed with ADHD
cannabis appears to treat a DD and ADHD
by increasing the availability of
dopamine that has the same effect but is
a different mechanism of action than
stimulants like ritalin a common
prescription drug for ADHD which asked
by binding to the dopamine and
interfering with its breakdown now I
know we have right now two younger
individuals they were both referred to
our offices actually by a psychiatrist
that we’ve kind of networked with and
what had happened was the one the one
child very young he was on so many drugs
the school was the one who contacted the
psychiatrist and said what’s happening
to this kid he can barely stand up and
they had him on what’s essentially horse
tranquilizers now I’ll tell you I’ve
seen the kid in my office when he wasn’t
on these medications and I sympathize
for parents because it was a tear I mean
the we could not control him in the
offices it came to a point where it was
hard for me to even allow them in the
offices while they were receiving
treatments after they started CBD what a
difference I mean I saw it firsthand not
gonna happen for everyone but they were
able to eliminate I think this kid was
on a cocktail of five or six different
drugs he’s down to one standard
prescription now that they commonly use
in the CBD the 3,500 milligram CBD um
now this child had a rough background he
had some other disabilities which many
people who have ADHD do have other
comorbidities but so we saw success with
my hypothesis is is this ADHD according
to dr. Berman works by binding to the
dopamine receptor
more dopamine to be available now if we
look at the specifics of ADHD what’s
really happening in these people’s
brains is there’s a call in an enzyme
just like we’ve talked about CBD before
and this enzyme actually goes through
and it destroys dopamine we don’t know
yet the effects of CBD on this enzyme
I’m wondering if in the future we’re
gonna see that it blocks that enzymes
activity just like it does to raise our
body’s natural and the cannabinoids and
if that’s why we’re seeing such amazing
results without the side effects that we
see with and that Amin based
prescriptions for children so absolutely
I love hearing that it is so exciting
because the sweetest people in our
population are our children right so
whenever someone talks about these kids
I mean my heart breaks for that child
that is being drugged up to the point
just so he can function and keep his
parents saying right but it’s just so
tragic to hear of a story like that and
hear of a child that’s on Ritalin and
all these drugs and their doctors and
their parent and their parents are just
trying to do what’s right by the kid and
every synthetic medication has a side
effect and the beauty of cannabis is
that it doesn’t have a side effect it’s
an all-natural it comes from a plant so
if we can try it and it works
thank you lord right I mean that’s what
we want and that is our goal here at CBD
bio care the reason you partnered with
us is because that is our goal is
getting this message out if it can help
even one child give it a try not because
we’re trying to sell more product
because we’re trying to help another
child because we’re trying to help
another person if this product can make
a difference and get a child off of
medication then it’s a win 100% of the
time absolutely and it’s interesting
because you’re you’re seeing you’re
seeing other information out there you
were talking about using this for
treatments and and and we’re starting to
see them do that in the literature they
actually ran if people are familiar
the sativex that’s the prescription
cannabis now I want to make a big
disclaimer that’s a synthetic cannabis
so a lot of people have a lot of bad
reactions to that that’s what happens
with synthetic cannabis that’s not what
we’re talking about there right but they
did do some actual trials with adults
with ADHD in 2017 and they had really
good results as far as the ADHD
reduction symptoms went but because it
was synthetic people experience some
side effects on the synthetic on what
we’re seeing with the CBD to your point
something that’s natural something that
is not coming out with these side
effects in my point of view why would we
not try this when we know it’s it’s it’s
it’s it’s fact that these other drugs
are dangerous many of them that we’re
currently using have a blackbox warning
for cardiac arrhythmias because they’re
there they’re thought Amit’s they’re
thought I mean based drugs so I want
people watching to know that we’re not
telling you to cold-turkey stop giving
your child a medication because you are
being seen by a physician who is well
intentioned so what we would recommend
and I’d want you to speak on this even
further dr. Frank is that you need to
find a holistic practitioner someone who
is not just from Western medicine
schooled and trained because they’re
most likely not going to be quite as
informed about cannabis it’s new to the
market place which is so shocking right
this is a product that’s been around for
thousands of years but yet we’ve only
known of an endocannabinoid system that
we have that cannabis responds well with
works in conjunction with watch that
video you’ll learn more about it for 30
so we’re it’s so young so seek out a
functional medicine or a holistic
practitioner who can assist you through
this process and see if it’s something
beneficial for your child
absolutely it’s worth going that extra
step I’ll mention some other reasons why
and I’ll say this too I I do believe on
this topic especially that there are
whether we’re holistic or
doctors psychiatrists psychologists that
there are a lot of people that are
frustrated seeing these young
individuals on the drug so I tell
parents yes
some physicians are gonna shut you down
and say oh that’s absurd now I think
they’re you’re gonna be surprised at
some of the feedback that you get up oh
yeah go go for it yeah I’d like to I
would like you to try this now with that
being said when you seek out the care of
a holistic practitioner a functional
medicine practitioner you’re gonna get a
different type of approach so in my
world I I look at this young kid and I
say why is his dopamine so messed up is
this all genetic or are there other
reasons are there food allergies are
there iron deficiencies is this a
vitamin D deficiency is this child not
getting any sunlight exposure are there
omega-3 fatty acid deficiencies
something we can test for in blood work
these are things that we look at to find
that that root cause now from a
treatment standpoint I like to take it a
step further whether or not they’re
working with and I’m the it look if
you’re already are this is gonna
complement that kids treatment therapy
or hopefully one day it can replace it
if that’s what everyone concludes on now
so a basic question how else do you
increase dopamine if the problem is that
dopamine deficiency and we’re saying CBD
is good because it helps to increase it
and make it more available how else can
you naturally do that well some really
simple things eating more protein a
healthy sources of protein has been
shown to increase dopamine exercise 100%
of the time has been shown to increase
dopamine getting a regular sleep cycle
are these children up late at night on
their phones are they watching TV if
you’re an adulterer are you up late on
your phone browsing regular sleep
increases dopamine listening to music
instrumental music especially if it’s
one of those songs that gives you the
chills because it’s like that those have
been clinically shown to result in an
increase of dopamine meditation has been
shown to increase dopamine levels so my
question would become why is this not
the first line of defense when we’re
trying to attack this why are we not
working with natural supplements while
there’d be CBD or vitamins and minerals
and making these lifestyle modifications
especially I mentioned it earlier if it
is an adolescent or adult group if you
are addicted to a nicotine or tobacco
product you you were going to have to
stop because if you want to treat the
ADHD these products lead to mass amounts
of dopamine release and you’re you’re
you’re messing up your body’s dopamine
reward cycle with that so that would be
the other big thing but why aren’t we
stopping there why aren’t we starting
there why aren’t we starting there as
the first line of the effects 100% I
wish I could just box you up and send
you to everybody analyze all these
people because I think you just a wealth
of information and you know we have a
lot of great medical tools available to
us we’re definitely not saying there’s
not some amazing things that Western
medicine brings to the table but for
this topic in particular you know we’ve
seen wonderful things and and the
research supports it in terms of CBD so
what would you recommend if somebody’s
watching this and says okay well I want
to I want to try CBD for my child and I
want to introduce this to the
practitioner that I’m working with or I
want to seek out or protect practitioner
what’s the next step what do they do
from here of course so it’s pretty
simple one find a holistic practitioner
Google in your area functional medicine
practitioner make sure like anything
that they have a good reputation okay
read through the reviews look for
customer testimonials look at the Google
reviews okay make sure they’re
legitimate like any profession you have
people who are good and bad right now if
they want to talk to it with their
practitioner I would say get bring in
the podcast write-up or the blog report
that we’re gonna do okay you may have to
educate your practitioner on this a
little bit some will be responsive some
won’t that’s the way life is now if
you’re not getting any help reach out
start to do your own research and start
to make some of your own decisions when
it comes to this stuff at the end of the
day your body you have a choice what it
is you do
don’t want to do with it or your child
your your their custodial guardian you
you you have a choice and what you want
to do so if it’s something that you
really want to seek out don’t just quit
because you get shut down by one person
or another person we’re seeing great
results with people so so start start
there gather research seek out a
qualified functional medicine
practitioner a naturopath talk to people
other people who have used CBD with
their children there’s a lot of them go
on Facebook join a group put up a post
about CBD and ADHD
look at what you find a wealth of
information from other incident
antidotal evidence okay now the other
thing I would say too is it’s just that
I covered Mosul everything that I would
say I don’t think there’s much else I
would add say oh look at your child’s
lifestyle if some of these things are
triggering cues and you had oh my gosh
I’m I’m feeding my child fast food every
day or oh my gosh my son does smoke I
never thought that this could be
affecting his ADHD or you know they
really don’t exercise maybe some of that
energy could be put into a gym
membership or one of those trampoline
places or wherever it is to go burn that
child’s energy up start to look at your
child’s lifestyle and make make changes
that you can make um dosing is always a
common question if you do go the route
of CBB when it comes to that your we
always say start slow it’s the micro to
stamp micro to standard dose which is
usually recommended which is a very low
dose somewhere between 5 and probably 60
to 100 milligrams a day it’s impossible
to say start slow work your way up until
you start to see symptoms subsiding
until you’re starting to see progress I
think that’s good advice I would also
tell people that I would start at the
750 milligram strength because it’s it’s
it’s on the lower end and we have found
that a lot of people who are taking CBD
for focus for ADHD or anything in this
category that they can get away with
and get the results so you mentioned the
child taking the 3,500 but he had an
extreme case extremely I think most
people um can can start low so I would
suggest and and please correct me if you
don’t find this information accurate but
I would suggest with a quarter of a
dropper of the 750 milligrams to start
if you’re seeing success with that and I
would do it if they’re having issues
focusing or hyperactivity during the day
I would do it in the morning before they
go to school not right before they go to
bed I would try that and then you can
always if you’re buying success then you
can even back off a little bit more to
see where the threshold is if you’re
finding success with a little bit less
than it’s going to last you longer and
it’s a win-win but if you start to see
some of the old behaviors creep back in
then you know that a quarter of a
dropper is you’re perfect you’re
creating that perfect balance so it’s a
little bit of an experiment and just
like anything that we’re doing more
naturally it’s not going to be like
taking a pill I think it’s something
that we’ll begin to see
right and it’s something that some kids
will get an immediate response but most
kids will actually increase the benefit
over I would say a two-week period would
you agree with that I would I would
agree with everything you said the 750
corner of a dropper very safe number for
a lot of people I would agree
give it time I think one of the things
that makes CBD such a such a wonderful
thing is the fact that yes sometimes we
do see those instant results whether
it’s an improvement in sleep or an
improvement in anxiety but I think one
of the best one of the best aspects of
it is that it does take a little bit of
time because it’s rebalancing your body
it’s helping with the dopamine receptors
it’s not causing that immediate change
because anytime you have something
instantaneous overwhelmingly
instantaneous like if we were to take an
adderall or Ritalin it’s going to come a
side-effect so I tell people that time
is an important thing and I think it’s a
wonder I think it’s actually a wonderful
thing I agree and I would tell parents
so here’s the beautiful thing about
cannabis our product for example has no
THC so whether you buy CBD Biocare or
another company you know make sure you
you bet the company you do your research
but you want full spectrum but without
the THC and to be legal it has to have
0.3% or less so even if it does have a
little bit of THC in it you’re not your
child’s not gonna feel that at all
within the legal limits but a full
spectrum is definitely the way to go you
don’t want to take an isolate because
then you’re only getting the CBD not the
the rest of the cannabinoids that make
this a medicinal product but your
child’s not gonna get stoned they’re not
gonna get sick they can drink the whole
bottle and be okay they might have an
upset stomach but that’s it there’s
gonna be no negative so that’s what I
love about this product is it’s so safe
so why not start there why not you know
try that first as opposed to going
straight to some of these harmful
medications that may be helpful but what
what else are they doing that we don’t
know about that’s exactly it there’s
just there’s too much unknown some will
argue there’s unknown about CBD but I
think there is a consensus it’s been
around for a long time we and even if
you did have the THC it’s been around
for a long time too we know that the
harmful aspects it doesn’t have a
blackbox warning
let’s put it that way that’s for sure
exactly so it’s nothing to be scared of
is there anything else you feel like
we’ve missed on on this topic I know
that we’ve covered a lot we’ve talked
about you know how much you should take
where you should start some of the
dangers of synthetics we’ve talked about
who to seek out for additional support
and information have we miss anything I
don’t think so no I would say this
there’s a lot of people out there in
life who are now adults and they’re
flourishing in their life and they were
diagnosed a long time ago and some of
the most successful people I’ve spoke to
our people who were diagnosed at a young
age with a B ADHD who went a natural
route who didn’t do the medication route
and they just took that that energy and
they channeled
into something else and I think for a
lot of parents if you can find a way to
to take your kids energy and get it to
be something productive versus something
I think these children may have some of
the greatest potential so maybe it’s a
blessing in disguise who knows yep I
agree I often say that sometimes our
greatest challenges are also our
greatest strengths it’s about learning
how to manage some of those challenges
right and putting them to your point
good use so thank you so much you’re
always a wealth of information and if
you are watching this or hearing this
and you are at a loss and you don’t have
anybody in your area then you can reach
out to us and we’ll put you in touch
with dr. Frank because he is a wealth of
information and I’m sure he can help so
thank you dr. Frank thanks Stacey

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